The author of a seminal book on Putin, All The Kremilin’s Men, and the founding editor-in-chief of what was Russia’s most truth-telling opposition news channel TV Rain, MIKHAIL ZYGAR is a journalistic hero to many in Russia. Now living and writing in the U.S. after fleeing persecution by Putin, Zygar continues to cover the most troubling stories of his homeland with unmitigated courage and a razor-sharp intelligence. In this episode, recorded live at the 2024 conference, he sits down with The Atlantic’s editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg to discuss his most recent book, War and Punishment: Putin, Zelensky, and the Path to Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine, and the state of all things Putin.